Topic: Forum rule regarding 'hell.' (Read 7728 times)

Anthony Horvath · « **on:** July 21, 2004, 10:45:00 PM »

NEW FORUM RULES!

I'm going to ask that everyone STOP using the word 'hell.'

Seriously.

Just use the Greek words (Hades, Tarturus, Gehenna) or the Hebrew word (Sheol) that refer to the condition of the dead. Many modern translations render Hades, tarturus, and Gehenna all as 'hell' which is really stupid. Clearly different words were used for a reason.

Besides these words, there are verses describing afterlife concepts without using actual words. Be careful how you label them, too.

If you don't know what passage uses what, use crosswalk.com's interlinear or this link which seems solid:

http://what-the-hell-is-hell.com/HellStudy/HellCharts.htm

Yes, dear fellow Christians, you will have to abandon your cherished notions about 'hell' but you will be rewarded with a deeper understanding when you begin to see the different uses of the three Greek words. You will gain a much better understanding of the afterlife and we can stop having muddled conversations.

Think about it folks. All these nonChristians listening to us talk about 'hell' when we aren't even accurately discussing it ourselves.

I have other words that are woefully ill defined or poorly translated as well, but I'll wait for my boiling point to be reached on those.

Please. Its NOW A FORUM RULE:

THOU SHALT NOT USE THE WORD 'HELL.'

Insist that everyone here uses the correct Greek word in their arguments about whatever aspect of the afterlife under discussion.

Thank you.

The Sasquatch · « **Reply #1 on:** July 21, 2004, 10:45:00 PM »

other words that are woefully ill defined
Tell me about it. Like, the other day, when somebody referred to me as pulchritudinous.

I told them to go to he....I mean I told them to go to Sheol.

Apollos · « **Reply #2 on:** July 21, 2004, 10:45:00 PM »

I blame all the confusion on the KJV.

Harry_is_always_right · « **Reply #3 on:** July 21, 2004, 10:45:00 PM »

Just as a matter of interest SJ, wondered what you personally think happens to people that have done muchos sinnos in their lifetime when they die? (Avoiding using the "H" word)

The Sasquatch · « **Reply #4 on:** July 29, 2004, 05:31:26 PM »

They have to watch Fahrenheit 9/11 forever until eternity. And they have their eyelids stapled to their foreheads.

Harry_is_always_right · « **Reply #5 on:** July 29, 2004, 08:00:26 PM »

Yeah, stupid bleeding heart liberals. Compassion's for the weak.

Anthony Horvath · « **Reply #6 on:** July 29, 2004, 08:02:29 PM »

Sorry Harry#2, I forgot about this.

In answer to your question: We are all muchos sinners, so that is not the distinguishing factor.

Self Talk · « **Reply #7 on:** December 27, 2004, 12:21:01 AM »

I have a major problem with you post sntjohnny. I take offense to the use Crosswalk.com in any language.

Zagzagel · « **Reply #8 on:** December 27, 2004, 12:38:20 AM »

Good challenge there sntjohnny.

I'll see you in he.....aven man!

Zagzagel · « **Reply #9 on:** December 31, 2004, 06:04:56 PM »

Just curious sntjohnny. What do you really believe about HELL? After death, were do sinners...say like Hitler..go?

Maybe there was a thread about this you would like to point me to?

Dead-again christian · « **Reply #10 on:** January 05, 2005, 12:02:50 AM »

I'll use hell whenever the hell i #$%!ing like, boy! go to hell! u probably are anyways

Zagzagel · « **Reply #11 on:** January 09, 2005, 02:27:06 AM »

ha ha ha...he hee heee.....that fellow was is a funny guy!

jesusboy · « **Reply #12 on:** January 21, 2005, 03:19:21 PM »

Oh for pete sake. What is wrong with hel.. The fact is that place exists. So to try and please every one by not saying it is sisieness. The bible says if you sin and don't repent thats where you go. When we dont own up to that it makes the church look like wimps If you are using it in a mean way yeah don't, but if you are stating the facts some times it needs to be said. What has happened to us. Will some christians please stand up!

Anthony Horvath · « **Reply #13 on:** January 21, 2005, 04:00:01 PM »

You missed the point, bug guy. Take another look. And you have a private message.

dude · « **Reply #14 on:** February 18, 2005, 12:08:47 PM »

Quote from: geegee

Just curious sntjohnny. What do you really believe about HELL? After death, were do sinners...say like Hitler..go?

Maybe there was a thread about this you would like to point me to?

It depends on whether the individual was forgiven of his sins or not.

John 3:36

Vose · « **Reply #15 on:** March 25, 2005, 06:48:02 PM »

johnny, if you dont want us to use this word even when we are talking about it in a reverent way, then which of the substitutions do you want us to use? Please provide definitions. Thanks and God bless.

Zagzagel · « **Reply #16 on:** March 25, 2005, 08:45:40 PM »

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It depends on whether the individual was forgiven of his sins or not.

Mmmmm...I think I could have some fun with this statement or question?....naw...not here...but it did give me some good ideas for my other threads!!

Dave Koepsell · « **Reply #17 on:** May 05, 2005, 07:37:52 AM »

Are there parts of the Bible and/or Christian history that are too vulgar to be discussed and debated? I would urge you to reconsider and withdraw your prohibition.

I believe that the concept of Hell that has been promulgated by Christian authorities and believed by most Christians for the last 1,700 years is erroneous. The best way to deal with it is to talk about it. It makes no sense to try and talk about it without mentioning it, or mentioning it using terms few are familiar with. The old example of having an elephant in the room which everyone refuses to mention comes to mind.

The Bible is mostly a collection of experiences and stories of people about God. It does not bother to clearly define its own terminology. This is not surprising; we seldom define our words when we describe our own experiences in everyday life. (It would be exhausting, boring and time-consuming to do so.) And each of us interprets and uses words in our own way, dictionary meanings not withstanding. Think about it long enough, and I am sure every reader can remember a personal experience where a misunderstanding occurred because the participants reacted very differently to a word choice someone made.

Theologians have stepped in and made up definitions and a theology based on their interpretations of the words. I have heard endless and fruitless arguments about the true meaning of words as used in the Bible and don

cimics · « **Reply #18 on:** May 05, 2005, 01:16:14 PM »

Dave --

I think you've missed the point. SJ's point is that the English word "hell" in some translations is used to cover a variety of different concepts represented by different words in the original languages. SJ is not prohibiting discussion of the concept of "hell" but is asking for specificity as to which of the concepts sometimes associated with that word is actaully being talked about.

DoctorFrog · « **Reply #19 on:** June 06, 2005, 09:58:40 PM »

Quote from: sntjohnny

everyone STOP using the word 'hell.'
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Just use the Greek words (Hades, Tarturus, Gehenna) or the Hebrew word (Sheol) that refer to the condition of the dead.

but what if somebody's not talking about these things? for example, "sheol" has nothing to do with the christian hell, and the others probably mean other things also. (although the word "gehenna" sounds a lot like the hebrew word for hell. is that where the greeks got it from?)

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