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Ethics in science...
« on: September 05, 2005, 01:20:46 PM »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/article/0,2763,1562913,00.html?gusrc=rss

I think the most interesting part of this article is this:

"He[Lord Winston] said ethics should be an essential part of an undergraduate science course. "It happens in medical schools. It should happen [in science] because the issues are just as important.""

Somewhere a long time ago I argued for this and also for a specific set of classes on the scientific methodology.  I studied several curriculums used by major universities and 'scientific methodology' was always wrapped up in the context of some other class.  So, it was 'scientific method' as applied to biology, SM as applied to physics, etc.   The origin, development, and synthesis of the SM on its own basis was not a deliberate part of the curriculum.   The myth would be that it is the same throughout all the disciplines, but its simply not true.  And they wouldn't know that, since they don't study it in its own right, and nowhere are they asked to view their own methods objectively.

So, they don't get ethics, and they aren't challenged to critique their own methodology, but we treat them- scientists- with extreme deference.

It begs the question, Just because they CAN do something, should we let them?  Who decides?  Them?

Naturally, allow them into the process.  But a little humility on their part would probably go a long way.
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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2005, 12:19:26 PM »

What do you call a scientist who sells his services to the highest bidder?

Employable.


What do you call a scientist with ethics?

Unemployed.  :twisted:
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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2005, 12:55:03 PM »

lol.  nice.  I can't say that I'm in a position to agree with that or not.  I know that lots of purists aren't happy with how many scientists go to work for the military, though.
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2005, 03:38:42 PM »

well good luck with your ethics and the military. military ethic= kill, kill, kill more; sntjohnny's ethics=???
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2005, 05:42:02 PM »

eh?
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« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2005, 02:59:37 PM »

my bad Jonny's ethics= God
God's ethic's= destroy the nonbeliever's and yourself at the sam time
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"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." (Washington, D.C., April 1999) [2]

"One of the great achievements of science has been, if not to make it impossible for intelligent people to be religious, then at least to make it possible for them not to be religious. We should not retreat from this accomplishment." (ibid.)
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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2005, 08:39:20 AM »

SJ:

Do you have any examples of universities where different core methodologies exist between the disciplines?

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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2005, 11:36:57 AM »

"Please, can anyone give me the definitions of the following words, as you are using them on this topic?"

1.science
2.ethics
3.kill
4.believer
5.god
6.process
7.program
8.philosopy
9.religion
10.hero

Thankyou,
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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2005, 03:11:10 PM »

use wikipedia.
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"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." (Washington, D.C., April 1999) [2]

"One of the great achievements of science has been, if not to make it impossible for intelligent people to be religious, then at least to make it possible for them not to be religious. We should not retreat from this accomplishment." (ibid.)
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