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« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2004, 06:54:50 AM »

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« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2004, 07:31:38 AM »

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Did one go by the name Osama?  :)

Is that why you kept having problems with the server? :D
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« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2004, 07:48:27 AM »

hehheh

You never know.

In fact, in all seriousness now that you mention it I am a member of another forum that was hacked in the run up to the Iraq war by PLO thugs.  Yea, the real Palestinean Liberation folks.   So, they are out there.... watching.... searching....
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« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2004, 08:06:10 AM »

Why were they attacking your site?
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« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2004, 08:12:34 AM »

It wasn't my site, I was just a participant.

Whatever their political message was, it was in Arabic.  The parts in English were just gloating about their ability to hack the site.
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« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2004, 12:50:34 PM »

My internet providor told me that there is not a day go by that someone or some group (probably "Christians) (my idea in parenthesis) that are trying to shut down the servor(s) where I get my service due to my web site at http://www.saviour-of-all.org

I guess if they can't shut me up they can at least try to make life miserable for my IP man who is just caught in the middle.

I wonder what ever happened to "Love thy enemies"?
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Are we told to "charge and teach these things" or are we told "NOT to charge and teach these things"? (1Tim.4:10,11).


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« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2004, 01:25:08 PM »

"I wonder what ever happened to "Love thy enemies"?"

That presumes that your 'idea' is correct to be throwing that accusation around.

I think you consider yourself and your views WAY too highly.   Its more likely that the PLO is after you then 'Christians.'   I think the chances that Christians or dissenters really care about knocking your page off the server is directly proportional to the amount of already existing web sites condemning your views specifically in reference to your site.  Let's say, for example, there for every 100 sites devoted to furiously refuting you there is 1 person that decides enough is enough and tries to shut you down.

Are you aware of any such site specifically trying to confront you?

I found results numbering in the 98-280 of people that either link to you or appear to bother to mention you.  And many of those were your own site.  So we've got about 2 serial Christian freaks (going with your 'idea') at most going after you.   Yea, what a huge group to single out as representative of all the other Christians (still assuming your idea) and chastizing them to 'love their enemies.'

I on the other hand have 4,000 references on google, none of which as far as I know are specifically devoted to confronting me and my views.  Going with that proportion, that's 40 serial atheists (and universalists?) out to get me.  And since I happen to be my own web host, let me just say I know full well how hard it is to keep that band of technologically adept heathen hackers off my server!
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« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2004, 04:07:07 PM »

So sntjohnny you love terroist or are terroist your friends?
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« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2004, 04:26:44 PM »

Paul tells us in Romans 12:14, that the Christian should respond exactly the opposite from the natural man and the inclinations of the flesh. Instead of cursing, we are instructed to bless those who persecute us.
However, blessing and cursing are mutually exclusive. Cursing expresses our desire for harm to befall the one cursed. Blessing verbally expresses the desire for good to come to that person. we can do one or the other but not both (see James 3:9). We cannot seek blessing for someone and at the same time seek his harm. God is not content to allow the Christian to merely tolerate his persecutors. We must actively desire and seek to bless our adversaries, and God gives us specific ways to do this in the Bible.
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« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2004, 04:35:53 PM »

Than I bless you to become Atheist. To learn how go to http://www.geocities.com/markquintonii/Atheism.html.
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« Reply #30 on: November 17, 2004, 04:38:23 PM »

? :shock:
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« Reply #31 on: November 17, 2004, 04:40:54 PM »

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« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2004, 04:44:51 PM »

Here's another saying that's just as crazy. "God bless the AntiChrist"
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« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2004, 05:03:35 PM »

That's a contradiction if I have ever seen one. LOL.  :D
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« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2004, 09:49:08 PM »

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He can't even say the blessed Holy name, Jesus Christ.

That name is no more "blessed" than is "SpongeBob Square-pants."

It is a sin for him to do so.

It's a sin for YOU to do, as well. I have shown you why, and where it's commanded. You just refuse to recognize the fact. Your problem; not mine.

It is just too repugnant for him since he wrongly believes Jesus was a liar and a false prophet.

"Repugnant" is EXACTLY the right word. Good call.
It is not I who has things wrong on the matter, however.
I have often documented Jc's lies, and the Torah tells us who is the false prophet, and the NuTESTament tells us what Jc did and didn't do, and that tells us that Jc fit the Torah's description of a false prophet.
It's simple case of
A Prophet does A, B, and C.
A prophet does NOT do X, Y, or Z.
Jc DID NOT DO A, B, C, but DID do X, Y, Z.
Therefore, Jc was a false prophet.
For the record, I recommend you read the following:

J.C.: False Prophet

Was J.C., the son of Mary, a true prophet of G-d, or a false prophet?

How will we know a false prophet, and what should be done with him?

Dt. 18:15-19 A true prophet of G-d must be obeyed.
Dt 18:20 But he who speaks a word in G-d's name which G-d did not say is a false prophet.
Read Mt 5:39, and compare that with Prov.. 4:27, Dt 19:20.
Mark 2:5 Only G-d can forgive sins. G-d is not a man, nor THE SON OF MAN (Hosea 11:9) so J.C., who called himself, "the son of man', is not G-d; furthermore, J.C., the son of man, had no power to forgive sins.
Lk 4:18-21 Compare that with Isa 61:1-6, and then answer for me, "When has this happened?" J.C. prophesied falsely.

Dt 13:2-4 the "prophet" who gives signs and wonders which do come to pass, as "evidence" of his message, which message disagrees with what we have already heard from G-d, is a false prophet.
Read Mt 11:4-5, 12:28.

Dt 18:22 gives a prophecy that fails to come to pass. Jn.. 6:47, 7:8-10, 8:52, Lk 9:27, Mt 16:28, 17:20, 24:2-34, 26:13, Mk 9:1, Lk 17:6 are all false prophecies from the lips of that false prophet, Yeshu ben Mariam.

Dt 18:20 speaks a word in the name of a false god.
The Devil: Matt 4 and Luke 4 both have the sinner, Yeshu in discourse with a false god, the Devil. Both stories must have come to us from the lips of Yeshu, for there were no other witnesses to the supposed events. There is NO Devil, so Yeshu was lying when he claimed to have rebuffed the temptations of the devil. He was lying when he spoke words as though they were spoken by that mythical Devil, and so Yeshu is a false prophet in the service of the false god, the Devil. The Nu Testament even calls the devil, "the god of this world, (2 Cor. 4:4).
Mammon: Yeshu (Lk 16:9, for example) sought to separate mankind from nature, seeking to call the World Evil and advocating asceticism. Compare Job 24:1, Gen. 2:15.
Himself: Mk 14:61-62. G-d has no partners Dt. 4:39, 32:39, Isa. 40:25, 43:10, 44:6, 45:18.

Dt. 18:22 Don't fear the false prophet.

Dt. 13:6 Put him to death.

Dt. 13:9 Don't pity him; surely kill him.
John 14: (KJV) 13 ?And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.?

John 14: (KJV) 14 ?If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.?

                Probably the most spectacular false prophecy in the Christian Bible. Here it?s repeated a second time and is
                the clearest example in the Christian Bible of the same false prophecy repeated right after it?s first mentioned.
                John?s Jesus explained that fulfillment of the prophecy would be evidence that Jesus was backed by the
                Father. Apparently someone other than ?John? is trying to tell us something.

John 15: (KJV) 7 ?If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.?

                False prophecy repeated.

16   Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit,
                and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.?

                The big revelations of John?s Jesus are anachronisms. The big speech in the earlier Gospel ?Matthew? was the
                Sermon On The Mount detailing Jesus? teachings. The big speech in ?John? is here where Jesus gives
                instructions to the disciples. About the only general Jesus? teaching referred to here is to love one another. A
                subtle anachronistic comment is verse 11 which uses the word ?joy? in place of the word ?peace?. The phrase
                with ?peace? is a Semitic phrase as ?peace? was also a Semitic greeting. The phrase with ?joy? is a Greek
                phrase as ?joy? is close to the Greek word for ?greeting?. In any case, the last sentence repeats a false
                prophecy.

John 16: (KJV) 7 ?Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for
                you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter
                will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him
                unto you.
                8   And when he is come, he will reprove the world of
                sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:?

                False prophecy. No evidence of any ?Comforter?
                doing anything or having any effect in the last 2,000
                years. More anachronistic apology. Subsequent
                Christianity can?t argue based on whatever the historical Jesus supposedly said, it has to be based on an
                imaginary contemporary ?Comforter?.

John 16: (KJV) 25 ?These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.?

                John?s Jesus couldn?t speak clearly about the Father while he was alive. He had to wait until he was dead. ?the
                time cometh? above is better translated ?the hour cometh? and is not used in Greek to refer to the distant
                future, certainly not over 2,000 years later. We?re still waiting for anyone to plainly show us the Father.

John 18: (KJV)  9 ?That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.?

                Compare to John 17: (KJV)

                12 ?While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and
                none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.?

                ?John? tries to show prophecy fulfillment in 18:9 moving beyond the Tanakh to what Jesus said, ?which he
                spake?, but in Jesus? first such attempt has Jesus misquote what he supposedly said himself a chapter earlier
                as he spaked that the son of perdition (Judas) would be lost to fulfill prophecy of the Tanakh. So the first time
                John?s Jesus claims prophecy fulfillment of something he said himself he gives a false prophecy which
                ironically does fulfill a prophecy in the Tanakh, the one about false prophets.

Jc WAS a False Prophet.
("Was", not "is." This is because Jc is loong dead and is/does nothing now).
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« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2004, 10:19:10 PM »



[/almost as good as the pancake bunny]
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« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2004, 04:16:58 PM »

Now that I know what the pancake bunny is, I can safely say that it is better. And by the way Jason, have you compared the two?
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« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2004, 07:40:11 PM »

First a FlapJack-Rabbit, and now
An Orange Orangutan?
What's next?
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« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2004, 01:45:45 PM »

An Atheist Christian. Wait thats sntjohnny. My bad.
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« Reply #39 on: November 19, 2004, 01:55:11 PM »

Yea, that's right homey.
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