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« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2004, 10:31:31 AM »

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well that is true an all, but what is your reason for supporting bush?
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« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2004, 10:39:19 AM »

My reason is that I believe that he will put America's interests first, despite the personal cost to him.  Case in point is the Iraq war.  Conspiracy theories aside, Bush never wavered in his position and support for the war, believing it to be a vital part on the war on terror and more then in America's interest to do something.  Even when it was looking as thought that support was going to cost him- when other Presidents (or President-wannabes) would have changed their position in order to salvage their political career, President Bush remained steadfast.

And I happen to agree that Iraq is a vital front in the war on terror, so naturally, I am encouraged by his steadfastness.  I hope that when ultimatums are given to Syria, Iran, and North Korea (likely in that order), he will remain steadfast.
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« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2004, 10:54:20 AM »

what your saying is true I am not going to say that you are wrong, but what is the point to this war? what is president Bush says that is going to be good for the Iraqes?
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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2004, 11:14:45 AM »

It is in our best interest to have the middle east rid of regions that can serve as terrorist training grounds, for example.   Afghanistan was clearly one, but Iraq was, too.   Examples include Salman Pak not too far from Baghdad and the training camp belong to Al Ansar Islam in Northern Iraq.  Salman Pak was a government operation, the Al Ansar Islam was an 'independent' outfit that operated with protection for Hussein.

And Hussein was in a state of war with the US just as Al Qaeda had been.  There has been a sad habit ever since WW2 of not calling a war a war.  Not doing so raises all sorts of complications.  Well, Iraq under Hussein had been in a state of war with the US- we made the mistake of thinking of it as some sort of police action.  Though I would have preferred some formal declarations even under President Bush, I am glad that he understood what the true state of affairs are.  So in this respect, what is 'good for the Iraqis' is really irrelevant.  They were in a state of war with us, and now they've paid the price.

However, it is not in our best interest to let Iraq or that region become unstable, if only because we don't know where Saddam's WMD are and because of the obvious fact that terrorists would take it over again.  Therefore, it is good and right of us to rebuild Iraq, just as we rebuilt Japan and Germany and Italy, and for the same reasons.
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« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2004, 04:01:29 PM »

that is good that you can explain clearly I like a person thaat can do that
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« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2004, 04:05:27 PM »

I am sntjohnny, hear me roar.

Or, as antichrist would say,

"I are sntjohnny, here me roar.'

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« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2004, 04:06:52 PM »

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Or, as antichrist would say,

"I are sntjohnny, here me roar.'

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« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2004, 04:12:02 PM »

okay you guys are wierd?
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« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2004, 04:16:12 PM »

That's what makes us fun, and this forum lively.  ;)

Or as Antichrist would say....
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« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2004, 04:37:43 PM »

The real reason probably is that Bush probably wants to start a holy war. And I would never support a Christian that makes propaganda against Atheist.
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« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2004, 06:25:48 PM »

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Yes we are?
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« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2004, 06:42:27 PM »

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The real reason probably is that Bush probably wants to start a holy war.

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How is this relevant?
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« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2004, 10:26:58 AM »

I don't know if that is true, but if it is I would go against bush. :twisted:
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« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2004, 04:09:01 PM »

Think about it. The only countries so far invaded by Bush have been Afganistan and Iraq, which are both Islamic countries. Though, North Korea we know has Nuclear capability, we do nothing too. We didn't know if Iraq has Nuclear, Chemical, and/or Biological weapons.
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« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2004, 05:20:53 PM »

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We didn't know if Iraq has Nuclear, Chemical, and/or Biological weapons.


We are 99.9% sure that they did... but I think it is relatively irrelevant whether they had weapons or not.  For example, the US has all those weapons and more... so does India, and the UK, and China is getting there... there are so many countries.  The real question is, why was Iraq more dangerous?  answer:  Salman Pak, and Ramzi Yousef... and old man Saddam was no cupcake either.
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« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2004, 05:29:18 PM »

Well said, Jason.  ;)

I would add that one significant factor related to North Korea is that North Korea is well supported by one very dangerous country in the region- China.   In the Korean War, China came to NK's defense.  There is plenty of reason to think they would do the same.  Also, NK is so backwards that China basically pulls the strings there, anyway.  Dealing with the 'NK problem' means dealing with the China problem which means dealing with the Taiwan problem.

Don't you worry, though.  NK and China are going to behave.
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« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2004, 06:19:57 PM »

Ah the Red Menace!
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« Reply #37 on: November 22, 2004, 06:24:39 PM »

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Dealing with the 'NK problem' means dealing with the China ...


which means dealing with a country that has UN veto power, if I am not mistaken.
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« Reply #38 on: November 23, 2004, 01:52:47 PM »

Just think if you people really beleived in your religion (Christianity). (note: I am referring to the coming back of JC) You guys shouldn't worry about the world destroying itself.
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« Reply #39 on: November 23, 2004, 08:41:55 PM »

Yeah...because when God said to love the rest of the world as He loves us, what he REALLY meant was that we should turn our backs on it and hope that everyone else goes down in a blaze of glory. True Love = seflishness, right?

Right?
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