Topic: Paganism (Read 2776 times)

KalikaScott · « **on:** March 04, 2005, 12:57:38 AM »

I would like to hear what you all know about Pagans and their beliefs.

(I want to disscuss it but don't really know where to start.)

TheAntiChrist · « **Reply #1 on:** March 04, 2005, 04:28:56 PM »

Paganism is not a religion. Neopaganism (wicca) is. The pagans have a lot of different beliefs.

KalikaScott · « **Reply #2 on:** March 04, 2005, 06:09:41 PM »

The word Pagan refers to many branches of similar beliefs. Kind of like Christianity.

Zagzagel · « **Reply #3 on:** March 04, 2005, 08:42:49 PM »

Maybe there should be a clearer definition of what 'PAGAN' means?

TheAntiChrist · « **Reply #4 on:** March 10, 2005, 05:20:27 PM »

Actually it would like be saying Islam and Christianity are the same religion.

KalikaScott · « **Reply #5 on:** March 10, 2005, 06:42:53 PM »

Quote from: TheAntiChrist

Actually it would like be saying Islam and Christianity are the same religion.

Could you please explain what you meant by this?

Zagzagel · « **Reply #6 on:** March 10, 2005, 07:37:06 PM »

Maybe Anti's looking at the similarities? If so, what are those?

jesusboy · « **Reply #7 on:** March 14, 2005, 08:16:57 PM »

Pagans have some interesting beliefs in short they worship nature wiccans are especially known for that as AC pointed out. To put it simply they worship events in nature like solstices equinoxs as well as many different spirits in trees plants etc. There beliefs have ther roots in celtic beliefs which were the early descendents of the irish, scotish, and british people today, along with other mythologies mixed in. What is sad is that they worship the created instead of the creator. later

KalikaScott · « **Reply #8 on:** March 15, 2005, 12:39:46 PM »

Quote from: jesusboy

.What is sad is that they worship the created instead of the creator.

Pagans believe ther4e is no difference between the created and creator. In other words... God is everything and in being should be celebrated that way.That is celebrating God means celebrating all of him... the creation being part of him.

I personally find it sad that so many religions fail to see that part of God. Too often God is separated from his creation yet he is said to be all things... does that not mean that he is both creator and creation?

Sic Semper Tyranis · « **Reply #9 on:** March 15, 2005, 02:32:03 PM »

KalikaScott
"Too often God is separated from his creation yet he is said to be all things"

While as I understand the JudeoChristian tradition it is said that God can do all things and made all things, it never actually says God is all things.

Elisha · « **Reply #10 on:** March 17, 2005, 08:29:26 PM »

Hey, Kalika. I'm not too knowledged on the belief, but I did have an ex-girlfriend who was into that sort of stuff, so I've got the basics down pat. Not that much to the basics really... adore nature and do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt others.

I've always been confused about this "Divine Force", though. Obviously, it is what their moral rules are based on, but so many questions remain unanswered. For example, if there is no objectively existent document that clearly states what these moral rules are and what this divine force is, then ultimately Paganism amounts to subjectivity, which isn't very inviting for a religion.

Not inviting, because a person can subjectively interpret "don't hurt others" as "it's ok to rape a woman" and get away with it. There would be no objective moral system to tell him he is wrong and so, according to Paganism, he gets away scot free.

It's such a confusing belief that it isn't even included in my Encyclopedia of Religions. I don't think it is, because usually someone who wants to practice a form of witchcraft will jump into the belief not really knowing or caring what it is or stands for. It's also inviting to those into the gothic look and/or lifestyle due to its "black sheep" nature in the world of religion. It is seen as the outcast and perhaps they can relate to it in a lot of ways.

KalikaScott · « **Reply #11 on:** March 20, 2005, 03:22:03 PM »

Elisha... Paganism is based heavely on superstition concerning the "supernatural".

If you read some of the many books out there based on Paganism, you will find not a whole lot changes in the beliefs... the only thing that really changes is how things are done.

nojc4me · « **Reply #12 on:** July 04, 2005, 09:55:26 AM »

SST said:

While as I understand the JudeoChristian tradition it is said that God can do all things and made all things, it never actually says God is all things.

A) there's no such thing as "JudeoChristian tradition." Judaism and Christianity are two VERY different things. It's a bit like saying, "ChristianHindu tradition."
B) Judaism DOES teach that God is all matter, time, and everything else. That's not to say that that's "ALL" that God is, but all that is, is "of God."
Nothing that exists, exists "outside" or "independent of" God.

jesusboy · « **Reply #13 on:** July 05, 2005, 10:37:08 AM »

Very good njc4me you'r second statement is very true. As for the judeo Christian thing my Dad a former pastor said it is because it came out of the jewish faith Jesus was jewish as well as the ten commandments.

Zagzagel · « **Reply #14 on:** July 05, 2005, 01:33:22 PM »

Someone put it this way. "God is everything, everything is not God".

KalikaScott · « **Reply #15 on:** July 05, 2005, 01:45:32 PM »

That's an oxymoron.

Zagzagel · « **Reply #16 on:** July 05, 2005, 09:36:31 PM »

Perhaps, it only SEEMS?

The Apostle Paul would most likely agree with what nojc posted, because Paul said the same thing... that all things came "out of God". That is the bible answer, it seems.

So one could say, if one is to believe the scriptures, that all things were created, upheld, sustained, renewed, etc by its creator...and "came out" of a spoken word...then, the created has its existence through and by something or someone. Thus, the created differs from the creator. Now those who worship just the created may be missing the true source???

Again, "God is everything, everything is not God". Depends how you understand the intended meaning. :D

Tony N · « **Reply #17 on:** July 06, 2005, 04:37:10 AM »

geegee, your post reminded me of this Scripture:

Rom 11:36 "seeing that out of Him and through Him and for Him is all: to Him be the glory for the eons! Amen!"

Christians and Pagans seem to overlook this passage. It is too hard for a Christian to swallow. All is out of God. What part of "ALL" is not out of God? If there is one thing that is not out of God then the "All" has just been reduced to "some things."

Not only is ALL out of God but ALL is for God. Eventually everything and everyone will go back to the God that it came out of. And God will be All in all (1 Cor.15:28).

KalikaScott · « **Reply #18 on:** July 06, 2005, 10:19:22 AM »

Quote from: geegee

Perhaps, it only SEEMS?

The Apostle Paul would most likely agree with what nojc posted, because Paul said the same thing... that all things came "out of God". That is the bible answer, it seems.

So one could say, if one is to believe the scriptures, that all things were created, upheld, sustained, renewed, etc by its creator...and "came out" of a spoken word...then, the created has its existence through and by something or someone. Thus, the created differs from the creator. Now those who worship just the created may be missing the true source???

Again, "God is everything, everything is not God". Depends how you understand the intended meaning. :D

What makes you think that Pagans worship only the "created"?

Tony N · « **Reply #19 on:** July 07, 2005, 06:01:24 AM »

Personally, I believe the "Christian" religion is as much a part of paganism as all other pagan religions.

The Catholics pray to statues and have unfounded reliance upon medallions, scapulas, voodoo of changing bread into a body and wine into blood . . .

And you have christians worshipping a god far far worse than many pagans. The god of christendumb tortures people in flames for ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever for ever and ever and ever and ever and that's just the beginning. That is far worse than other pagan's gods.

Like the Baal worshippers, they believe if they get enough christians together to pray they can twist their puny god's arm to make him do what they want.

The pagan christians believe in free-will and believe their will is greater than their god's will and that their god is just waiting on them like a genie in a bottle.

That's just the beginning.

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