CALCULATION OF DATES
After Creation, Jewish dates have been used (rather than the Christian ones) because they can be verified by means of the Hebrew Bible.
The "70 years" prophecy from the destruction of the First Temple to the rebuilding of the Second Temple. (Jeremiah 25:12, 29:10; Daniel 9:2)
3338 to 3408.
The exodus from Egypt occurred in 2448, as is clear from the lifetimes of the following men (as recorded in Genesis and Exodus): Adam (1--930), Methusaleh (687--1656), Shem (1558--2158), Jacob (2108--2255), Amram (2255--2392), Moses (2368 + 80 [his age at the time of the exodus] = 2448).
Construction of the First Temple began in the fourth year of King Solomon's reign, i.e., 480 years after the exodus (I Kings 6:1). Solomon reigned for another thirty-six years, (I Kings 11:42) whereupon a succession of kings occupied the throne for 374 years, until the First Temple was destroyed (II Chronicles 12:13 to 36:11). Thus, 2448 + 480 + 36 + 374 = 3338.
70 weeks (490 years) The breakdown of the seventy weeks is according to Rashi from the destruction of the First Temple to the destruction of the Second Temple.
3338 to 3828. This year (1990) coincides with the year 5750. The Second Temple was destroyed in 68 C.E. (1,922 years ago). 5750 - 1,922 = 3828.
Of these 70 weeks:
7 weeks (52 years). 7 weeks x 7 = 49 years. The remaining 3 years (52-49) are carried forward.
from the destruction of the First Temple to the Edict of Cyrus, the first Prince. (Daniel 9:25) 3338 to 3390 plus 62 weeks (438 years). 62 weeks x 7 = 434 years. The extra 4 years (438-434) are carried forward.
From the Edict of Cyrus to King Agrippa II - The
second anointed. (Daniel 9:25--26) 3390 to 3828
The 70th week. The above 7 surplus years (3+4) make up this last week of years. This 70th week involved the
third prince, Vespasian, and the destruction of the Second Temple. (Daniel 9:26--27) But it (the 70th week) does not fit in with the missionaries' calculations, therefore, they have -- without Scriptural foundation -- assigned it to the time of Jesus' "second coming".
Tony N asked:
And this begs the question: Just who was the Prince, the Messiah who was cut off in 38 C.E.?That was the point: there
wasn't one. Therefore, the christian's timeline makes no sense. It simply doesn't work out! The count, from the christian's "official" starting point, counting the correct number of years with the correct number of days each, comes to a year where no "anointed one" was "cut off."
So the christians are wrong.
The Jew's timeline works, however.
How did that Messiah fulfill the Daniel prophecy and all prophecies related to Messiah from Genesis to Malachi?Who says he had to? There are many prophecies that speak of messiahs, there have been several messiahs, and not all of those prophecies refer to a single messiah.
If they say He never came then God, Gabriel and Daniel lied. Daniel would then a false prophet. To paraphrase Reagan, "Well, there you go again!"
You make whatever you want to out be a prophecy, make up your own interpretation of the text, pick your own starting point, make up "years" of whatever number of days you want to, count out days and years however you want to, and then fudge the numbers so it works out as you want it to, and then, when it becomes apparent you're wrong, you claim G-d and Daniel and Gabriel are the liars!
To you, the error can't possibly be yours; it MUST be G-d's.
Nehemiah is containing the record of the 20th year of Artaxerxes (or 445-444 B.C.) in which the word went forth to rebuild Jerusalem. Read Nehemiah yourself if you don't believe me.It isn't that I don't believe Nehemiah, nor necessarily that I disbelieve your report that Nehemiah might have said thus and so. It's that I know you don't know what you're talking about, and will try to make Nehemiah seem to say what you want us to think he said, even if you have to take it out of context or mis-apply it to suit your ends.
According the Concordant Literal Old Testament Daniel 9:26 reads differently than some other translations: "There you go again."
I recall that we already showed that you don't know Hebrew, and you admit you aren't Jewish,
so you don't know how to interpret the Tanakh.
Using the CLOT is a sure-fire way to cause brain damage, as the CLOT will shut off the passage of oxygen to the brain. A "brain CLOT".
Get it?
Here's another "Literal Translation" for you.
A LITERAL interpretation for "spirit" is "ghost." And "ghost" in German, literally is "giest," which is literally "gas," which also means "flatulence." So the "holy ghost" of the nt is a mistranslation. It really, literally, means "Blessed Fart."
The task of interpreting the Tanakh does not fall upon a literalist christian book, nor to any christian(s). It belongs to the Priests and sages of the children of Israel.
The Jews who believe it was Cyrus and not Artaxerxes (or 445-444 B.C.) may actually be a minority. This Jewish rabbi believes differently from your small marginalized group:
http://www.bethelnyc.org/sufferingmessiah.asp Messianic "Jews" are not Jews, and messianic "Rabbis" are not Rabbis. And "messianic Jewish Rabbis" are not "Jewish Rabbis".
As I said, the authorities on Judaism and the Tanakh are Jewish Rabbis.
So your statement remains unsupported.
And your boast that Orthodox Jews are "marginalized" is just funny.
Does majority prove correctness of theology?When you're talking about a majority of Orthodox Jewish Rabbis, yes.
'm sure all his murderous ways proves that he [Yanai] was sinless. I know of no messianic prophecies that say the messiah will be sinless, so it's pointless to say that, because a person wasn't sinless, he wasn't the messiah.
Scripture lists several people who were anointed, yet whose acts were sinful.
Tony's reply:
I thought I already dealt this this. Either way, Christ is still the anointed one (that's what Christ means you know)A) you've failed to show that that sinner, jesus, ever lived, so how he is supposed to have fulfilled this passage is beyond me.
B) "christ" may mean "anointed," but not as "anointed" is understood in the Hebrew Torah. An anointed one in the Hebrew Tradition was smeared with the Holy Oil of Anointing. The title "christ" is more closely associated with a "savior" who dies for the sins of others, which is an identification unknown in Israel.
C) You can't show that jesus was anointed with the oil of anointing, so your claim that jesus was the "anointed one" is baseless.
You can't even prove he was "christ"!
Just because that's what he was called, that doesn't mean that's what he was.
The original Masoretic text joins the 7 and 62 weeks without using commas or semicolons.Of course not; those are modern devices. The Hebrew Masoretic uses little curls, dashes and dots above, under, and/or within the letters of the text to denote such things as breaks in thought today expressed in colons and semi-colons.
But the seven and 62 weeks are separated by the text itself, in that they are specifically expressed as 7 and 62.
Nobody on Earth calls "69" "seven and 62." Just nobody.
So it's "seven" and "sixty-two," not "sixty-nine."
Jesus is the Messiach of Daniel 9. There is no other.Unsubstantiated in so many ways.
As unacceptable in just as many, and more.