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There have been several versions of this document. The reviews of the review have been fiercely critical of anything fiercely critical of Mr. Dawkins, which means that Mr. Dawkins will- again- get away with saying whatever suits his fancy without any Christian telling him in no uncertain terms exactly what he deserves to hear, what he should hear, and what his arguments amount to. Suffice it to say that I don't like Mr. Dawkins, and that is ok, because he doesn't like me. The truth is, Mr. Dawkins does not like much of the world, which should give us all pause when we listen to him opine.

I'll submit just this one example, as reported in this link (Salon, not a creationist site) "Yet Dawkins doesn't shy from controversy, nor does he suffer fools gladly. He recently met a minister who was on the opposite side of a British political debate. When the minister put out his hand, Dawkins kept his hands at his side and said, "You, sir, are an ignorant bigot.""

Of course, he has said and done much worse than that, but this one comes out of a site that no one can charge is biased in my favor. The reader should know that I am exerting extreme self-control in what follows, and even suppressing my own principles in order not to offend readers, and perhaps maybe Mr. Dawkins himself, who, in my opinion, very much should be offended.

These brief comments should serve to make it plain exactly where I stand in regards to this particular man, and his arguments. Thus, he will get respect in this review, though in my view he deserves little, and his arguments even less.

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Intro

This review is of the preface in particular, and as such I would like to make an introductory comment of my own before launching into some thoughts prompted by Dawkins preface.

There is a school of thought among some Christian theologians, evangelists, and apologists, that a man's atheism in nearly all cases reflects some emotional undercurrent, some real anger with God, etc. I do not have that opinion. I think that there are perfectly understandable intellectual objections that a person can have, and I think that even if there are emotional objections, they are not necessarily invalid.
In the case of Mr. Dawkins, however, I think we need to make an exception. He himself admits to being sexually abused as a child. Here is a quote from one of his own essays:

"Being fondled by the Latin master in the Squash Court was a disagreeable sensation for a nine-year-old, a mixture of embarrassment and skin-crawling revulsion, but it was certainly not in the same league as being led to believe that I, or someone I knew, might go to everlasting fire. As soon as I could wriggle off his knee, I ran to tell my friends and we had a good laugh, our fellowship enhanced by the shared experience of the same sad pedophile. I do not believe that I, or they, suffered lasting, or even temporary damage from this disagreeable physical abuse of power." Link

You know what, I don't believe him. Let's leave aside the issue as to whether or not being molested is far out of the league as being led to believe in hell. Let's consider the possibility that it was much more of an embarrassment then this lets on, that they didn't have a good laugh together, that there was no 'wriggling' off the knee. Let's apply a little skepticism here, shall we, and wonder if in fact the real truth is not that Dawkins and his friends had the singular experience of having the only benign example of child molesting in the course of human history, but that in fact this event was far more traumatic then he lets on. Let's even wonder if perhaps it wasn't an 'event,' but rather a pattern of events- long lasting, and devastating one, can certainly understand why a person would come to be angry with God and with anyone affiliated with God.

It may be that Richard Dawkins is exactly the premier example of an atheist at war with a God whom he insists does not exist, and yet hates anyway. If this is the case, I have deep compassion and sympathy for him. The problem of evil is not grappled with only by atheists. Let me submit to the reader that in the case of Dawkins, his arguments may not be informed by logic, evidence, and reason, but much so from being sexually abused.

That said, I'm going to take him at his word for the course of these reviews. That means assuming that this molestation had little to no impact on him, as he implies. Unfortunately, that means we are going to have to pretend that he really thinks he has logically sound reasons for his views. At least with the sympathy card in play we could understand the phenomena. Without that, we'll have to stick to his arguments.
If Mr. Dawkins had an experience far deeper than he has let on then I understand and sympathize with his anger. If he hasn't, my position remains [ad hominem snipped] that he is not much more than a bully. With this behind us, let us proceed.

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Re: Response to Dawkins's Delusion Begins [intro intro, intro, and preface]
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2006, 10:31:54 AM »


The reason why I have decided to address this book beginning with the preface is because it is here that I think we can see at a glance just how far off Mr. Dawkins is from credibly speaking to God as a 'delusion' or even 'religion' in general. There are three minor points and one major point that I wish to make.

Minor Point 1.

Dawkins is evangelistic in his approach. We read this quote: ""I suspect- well, I am sure- that there are lots of people out there who have been brought up in some religion or other, are unhappy in it, don't believe it, or are worried about the evils that are done in its name; people who feel vague yearnings to leave their parent's religion and wish they could, but just realize that leaving is an option. If you are one of them, this book is for you."

I think this tells us much about the man. The truth is that you cannot throw a stick in the United States without hitting someone who has left 'their parent's religion.' Despite this reality, Dawkins appears to feel incredibly alone in the world. I think what's going on here is that Dawkins is uncomfortable, if not outright annoyed, by the fact that despite that legions of people have abandoned mainline Christianity for this alternative or that, the fact is that they haven't chosen HIS alternative. Books like the "Celestine Prophecy" do not become best sellers within a society where people are too chicken to leave 'their parent's religion.' I submit that this detachment from reality indicates that there is more going on in Dawkins's mind, and one should be skeptical about his claims.

Major Point 1.

Mr. Dawkins aims to provide an overview of the ten chapters in his book. Chapter 1 is a discussion on religious people that Dawkins can tolerate (1% of the world) and those he can't (the other 99%). Chapter 2 is presented like this: "Perhaps you feel that agnosticism is a reasonable position, but that atheism is just as dogmatic as religious belief? If so, I hope that Chapter 2 will change your mind, by persuading you that 'the God hypothesis' is a scientific hypothesis about the universe, which should be analysed as sceptically as any other. "If you come to agree with this, he asserts that "... you might enjoy Chapter 3 on 'Arguments for God's existence' - the arguments turn out to be spectacularly weak."
This is our first clue that we are not dealing with a credible perspective. I am not talking about the claim that the 'God hypothesis' should be 'analysed as sceptically as any other.' I agree with that. The notion that 'God' is a 'scientific hypothesis' is so off base, one wonders why his editors didn't correct him. There is a reason why Gould and Collins come to the conclusion that science cannot speak to the question of God. The very definition of God is that he is a transcendental entity, who if anything, determines and sustains the very physical laws that science- allegedly restricted to the empirically verifiable- is constrained to.

In another place, he insists "the existence of God is a scientific hypothesis like any other. [
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